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	<title>Comments on: &#8230;and the folly of Bishops!</title>
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	<description>the vague ramblings of the Revd. Fr. Edward Tomlinson SSC......</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://sbarnabas.com/blog/2009/11/19/and-the-folly-of-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-9392</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C S Lewis Essay &#039;Priestesses in the Church?&#039;

&quot;...I heard that the Church of England was being advised to declare women capable of Priests&#039; Order. I am, indeed, informed that such a proposal is very unlikely to be seriously considered by the authorities. To take such a revolutionary step at the present moment, to cut ourselves off from the Christian past and to widen the divisions between ourselves and other Churches by establishing an order of priestesses in our midst, would be an almost wanton degree of imprudence. And the Church of England herself would be torn in shreds...&quot; 

&quot;We men may often make very bad priests. That is because we are insufficiently masculine. It is no cure to call in those who are not masculine at all.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C S Lewis Essay &#8216;Priestesses in the Church?&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I heard that the Church of England was being advised to declare women capable of Priests&#8217; Order. I am, indeed, informed that such a proposal is very unlikely to be seriously considered by the authorities. To take such a revolutionary step at the present moment, to cut ourselves off from the Christian past and to widen the divisions between ourselves and other Churches by establishing an order of priestesses in our midst, would be an almost wanton degree of imprudence. And the Church of England herself would be torn in shreds&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;We men may often make very bad priests. That is because we are insufficiently masculine. It is no cure to call in those who are not masculine at all.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://sbarnabas.com/blog/2009/11/19/and-the-folly-of-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-9146</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no apology needed John. I know you are a &#039;true&#039; liberal and would not dream of removing your speck for fear of my beam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no apology needed John. I know you are a &#8216;true&#8217; liberal and would not dream of removing your speck for fear of my beam!</p>
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		<title>By: john moles</title>
		<link>http://sbarnabas.com/blog/2009/11/19/and-the-folly-of-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-9145</link>
		<dc:creator>john moles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comment from &#039;Anglocatholicus&#039;. All I can say is that there are &#039;liberals&#039; and others who are trying hard in their own small contexts to maximise support for such &#039;provision&#039;. Some of the talk on both sides has certainly been poisonous - and I admit my own small guilt in this matter and again apologise to Fr Ed for a silly and intemperate characterisation on &#039;Thinking Anglicans&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment from &#8216;Anglocatholicus&#8217;. All I can say is that there are &#8216;liberals&#8217; and others who are trying hard in their own small contexts to maximise support for such &#8216;provision&#8217;. Some of the talk on both sides has certainly been poisonous &#8211; and I admit my own small guilt in this matter and again apologise to Fr Ed for a silly and intemperate characterisation on &#8216;Thinking Anglicans&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father

I admire your optimism on that count.  It would be the sensible thing, especially where the priest and congregation, lock, stock and barrel intend to take the plunge.

However, experience to date would suggest that having snatched the rug from under our feet without a whiff of remorse, would they hesitate to attempt to sell the roofs from over our heads?  I suspect the debate over ownership of buildings will not be a clean game.</description>
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<p>I admire your optimism on that count.  It would be the sensible thing, especially where the priest and congregation, lock, stock and barrel intend to take the plunge.</p>
<p>However, experience to date would suggest that having snatched the rug from under our feet without a whiff of remorse, would they hesitate to attempt to sell the roofs from over our heads?  I suspect the debate over ownership of buildings will not be a clean game.</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://sbarnabas.com/blog/2009/11/19/and-the-folly-of-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-9138</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Synod have had ample time to offer something, instead 17 yrs later and we are still waiting. One only need consider all the signs to see that the truth is we will get nothing, it is in knowledge of this lamentable fact that our bishops act as they do. Expecting us to &#039;be good chaps&#039; so that Synod might deign to throw us a morsal of hope is not cricket in my book! As to buildings I do not think it impossible or naive to imagine that a church with FAR too many buildings and not enough cash might do the sensible thing. As to pensions, +Edwin et al richly deserve theirs for years of hard work, if mine is lost as a result of standing up for the Gospel - so be it. I did not here Jesus offer a pension when he called the disciples to follow him. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Synod have had ample time to offer something, instead 17 yrs later and we are still waiting. One only need consider all the signs to see that the truth is we will get nothing, it is in knowledge of this lamentable fact that our bishops act as they do. Expecting us to &#8216;be good chaps&#8217; so that Synod might deign to throw us a morsal of hope is not cricket in my book! As to buildings I do not think it impossible or naive to imagine that a church with FAR too many buildings and not enough cash might do the sensible thing. As to pensions, +Edwin et al richly deserve theirs for years of hard work, if mine is lost as a result of standing up for the Gospel &#8211; so be it. I did not here Jesus offer a pension when he called the disciples to follow him.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad about that. Glad also that you seem to disown the sentiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad about that. Glad also that you seem to disown the sentiment.</p>
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		<title>By: anglocatholicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>anglocatholicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With comments like those being made by +Edwin (above) and +Ebbsfleet, are you surprised that the General Synod is reluctant to make decent provision? What is the revision committee supposed to think when these people are going around saying (falsely) that Traditionalists no longer want provision? Apart from being a lie (the vast majority of us do want provision actually) it gives fuel to the fire of the Liberal bigots like Christina Rees who want to purge the church of anyone who disagree with them.

Perhaps these PEVs and others ought also to reflect on the fact that if there had been a little less gauntlet throwing  and bitter rhetoric on their part, and a little more charity, perhaps things would be different now. As it is, they have simply pushed people into loathing us all the more. They will receive their full pensions. I hope they have the decency to share them with those, like good Fr Ed, who never will.

Moreover, those who think that there will be any form of transfer of property are, quite frankly, living in fairy land, and to encourage ordinary people to think otherwise is highly misleading and dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With comments like those being made by +Edwin (above) and +Ebbsfleet, are you surprised that the General Synod is reluctant to make decent provision? What is the revision committee supposed to think when these people are going around saying (falsely) that Traditionalists no longer want provision? Apart from being a lie (the vast majority of us do want provision actually) it gives fuel to the fire of the Liberal bigots like Christina Rees who want to purge the church of anyone who disagree with them.</p>
<p>Perhaps these PEVs and others ought also to reflect on the fact that if there had been a little less gauntlet throwing  and bitter rhetoric on their part, and a little more charity, perhaps things would be different now. As it is, they have simply pushed people into loathing us all the more. They will receive their full pensions. I hope they have the decency to share them with those, like good Fr Ed, who never will.</p>
<p>Moreover, those who think that there will be any form of transfer of property are, quite frankly, living in fairy land, and to encourage ordinary people to think otherwise is highly misleading and dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://sbarnabas.com/blog/2009/11/19/and-the-folly-of-bishops/comment-page-1/#comment-9134</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my little bird and yours do not appear to be one and the same....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my little bird and yours do not appear to be one and the same&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ambrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t the PEVs and &quot;Orthodox&quot; Bishops in the C of E been ordaining practising homosexuals for years?  There has for years, for example, been the practice of Fr X and Fr Y taking their parishes to Walsingham at the same time, but no one will name it for what is.  What the Church really needs now is an epidemic of honesty and charity on all sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t the PEVs and &#8220;Orthodox&#8221; Bishops in the C of E been ordaining practising homosexuals for years?  There has for years, for example, been the practice of Fr X and Fr Y taking their parishes to Walsingham at the same time, but no one will name it for what is.  What the Church really needs now is an epidemic of honesty and charity on all sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Bishedwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bishedwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Pritchard used to be an Archdeacon in Canterbury and at that time seemed to have some sympathy for our position.  It is sad to see him now so totally opposed to us.  But in the long run, it will be greatly to our advantage if he and his friends get their wicked way.  There has been to much fiddling with compromises, all the time undermining the unity of us traditionalists.  Now let them go ahead with a one-clause measxure and chuck us out.  That will ensure the Ordinariate really takes off in England.  It will also mean that many who are outside the ecclesiastical battle will realise just how shabbily we have been treated; maybe even the ecclesiastical committe of Parliament will require that some restitution is made.  After all, the Parson&#039;s Freehold is property, and if we are driven out then someone must pay!
Magna est veritas, et praevalabit!   +E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Pritchard used to be an Archdeacon in Canterbury and at that time seemed to have some sympathy for our position.  It is sad to see him now so totally opposed to us.  But in the long run, it will be greatly to our advantage if he and his friends get their wicked way.  There has been to much fiddling with compromises, all the time undermining the unity of us traditionalists.  Now let them go ahead with a one-clause measxure and chuck us out.  That will ensure the Ordinariate really takes off in England.  It will also mean that many who are outside the ecclesiastical battle will realise just how shabbily we have been treated; maybe even the ecclesiastical committe of Parliament will require that some restitution is made.  After all, the Parson&#8217;s Freehold is property, and if we are driven out then someone must pay!<br />
Magna est veritas, et praevalabit!   +E</p>
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